tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post5002300431941805255..comments2024-03-22T05:36:02.491-07:00Comments on Sunday Comics Debt: For FOOB or for FBOFWDeBThttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05711985474864185922noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-8685485853715314632010-06-11T10:05:22.301-07:002010-06-11T10:05:22.301-07:00I've got 2 kids.
Me too. I have a two-year-o...<i>I've got 2 kids.</i><br /><br />Me too. I have a two-year-old daughter: in fact, she turned two within a week of Elizabeth's birthday party. (Unlike Elizabeth, we will continue to celebrate her birthdays every year...)<br /><br />As with what April said, much of what Lynn did with Lizzie and Elly's reactions to Lizzie's behaviour don't match my experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-84219254934441005092010-06-10T10:56:42.786-07:002010-06-10T10:56:42.786-07:00I've got 2 kids.
I also meant to respond re. ...<i>I've got 2 kids.</i><br /><br />I also meant to respond re. "Obviously, these people have never had children." I have a seven-year old son. He is finishing first grade and therefore is exactly at the age/stage Michael Patterson is supposed to be in the reprints. Much of what she does with Mike and Elly's reactions to him do not ring true for me.April Pattersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06364188321350027405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-18500438949354883082010-06-10T09:58:44.062-07:002010-06-10T09:58:44.062-07:00Obviously, these people have never had children.
...<i>Obviously, these people have never had children.</i><br /><br />I've got 2 kids.howardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303489266324639466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-87054315634409291062010-06-10T09:28:43.204-07:002010-06-10T09:28:43.204-07:00Here's the Brian Enjo thread: http://community...Here's the Brian Enjo thread: http://community.livejournal.com/binky_betsy/427216.html<br /><br />And here's the first discussion of "WAIT!" http://community.livejournal.com/binky_betsy/2006/04/30/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-56683027917821143562010-06-10T06:00:20.630-07:002010-06-10T06:00:20.630-07:00Oh, I see--I misunderstood. These are strips that...Oh, I see--I misunderstood. These are strips that have come up from time to time in different theads, so it would be difficult to find them all. There is a calendar view that you can use for Foobiverse, so that for the "wait" strip, you can at least find the discussion that happened on the day the strip originally ran.April Pattersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06364188321350027405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-74285591647757593282010-06-10T05:55:52.734-07:002010-06-10T05:55:52.734-07:00No, I wasn't talking about the strips themselv...No, I wasn't talking about the strips themselves, I was talking about the discussion about those strips. I saw the FOOBiverse livejournal talk about those issues, but I don't know where in the vast archive they are.<br /><br />It would save me alot of time if you could find the posts about those pages. Also, Elizabeth's "WAIT!" was the tail end of an 8-page post from another site that might've originated at the livejournal.DanielBThttp://sundaycomicsdebt.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-22790507575710192282010-06-10T03:48:27.206-07:002010-06-10T03:48:27.206-07:00Thanks for your post over at FOOBAR, Daniel BT. Y...Thanks for your post over at <a href="http://allfoobedup.blogspot.com/%22%22" rel="nofollow">FOOBAR</a>, <b>Daniel BT</b>. You asked about a couple of strips you wanted to find. <a href="http://catalog.fborfw.com/indexid.php?q=1650&Submit=Search" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is the one that had Carol Enjo worrying that Brian wasn't into girls and <a href="http://www.fborfw.com/strip_fix/archives/001788.php" rel="nofollow">here</a> is the one where Liz receives April's e-mail about Anthony divorcing and infamously yells "WAIT!" :)April Pattersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06364188321350027405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-71580813600440823702010-06-09T23:04:54.495-07:002010-06-09T23:04:54.495-07:00Excellent post. I agreed with so much of it I act...Excellent post. I agreed with so much of it I actually began to wonder if you're me! :)<br /><br /><i>But my admiration started to fade when they pointed those same barbs towards the early reprinted strips. When you start seeing the hidden motives behind every single sentence a once-well regarded writer ever did, it becomes less of a guilty pleasure, and more of a reason to keep kicking a dead horse before the body’s even cold.</i><br /><br />It is a hard balance to maintain. It's difficult to read the early strips with the foreknowledge of all that will happen, and not let what were once affectionate memories be tainted with the characters' later development, particularly Elly's re-write of her own past (touches of the comic linked above) whenever she and Connie reminisce over coffee.<br /><br />I enjoy the barbs: some are so well-written that reading them is the only pleasure left to be gained from FOOB. I have two young children and can relate to a lot of Elly's frustration with the feeling that things might stay a mess forever; what I can't relate to is her never-ending complaining or stunned expressions every time she sees what her kids have done.<br /><br />What I also find jarring is the semi-retconning of older strips, changing a typewriter into something approximating a computer or adding $100 to the the price of a jogging suit, but leaving other things unchanged like the absence of a phone for Elly to let John know she's going out for drinks. If the old material could just be left alone and Lynn would admit that the strip happens 30 years ago, it would attract so much less criticism. Her website has two contradictory statements about the timing of the re-run strip: Q and Eh? has it in the modern day and Lynn's exasperated-sounding answer in Coffee Talk says it's 30 years ago.<br /><br />The switch from re-run strips to new-drawn material on Sundays is also disruptive and I can't for the life of me figure out how some of her readers claim to be unable to tell the difference between Lynn's old and new drawing styles: the kids' widely-varying ages, the proportions of most characters (Mike in particular), the stiffness of ruler-drawn parallel lines for every wall, door, staircase and fence, and Elly's fluctuating nose size reminding me of the downhill years of the strip.<br /><br />Stopping at <i>Graduation: A Time for Change</i> is a great tip. The uninitiated should have a firm warning that, even if they do want to read more, to do so will make them lose all joy they once found in the strip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1221608027689754679.post-83539369234199905672010-06-09T21:04:51.327-07:002010-06-09T21:04:51.327-07:00But you’d be hard pressed to find any of that with...<i>But you’d be hard pressed to find any of that with Elizabeth & Anthony. Mixing nitroglycerin with sulfur-based gasoline, and injecting it with electricity wouldn’t have produced anything from those two corpses, no matter how much Lynn Johnston tried to convince us.</i><br /><br />The weird thing is that Anthony wasn't really supposed to be Liz's Twoo Wuv; Anthony is a Jonas Quinn for Christopher Nichols who got put on embargo because his parents' fictional marital problems reminded Lynn of her own first marriage too much to face.DreadedCandiru2https://www.blogger.com/profile/15561460498807276057noreply@blogger.com